Laura Doyle’s books have been translated into 19 languages in 30 countries and accidentally started a worldwide movement. Laura’s mission is to end world divorce. She is the founder of the international relationship coach training school, Laura Doyle Connect, the star of Empowered Wives on Amazon Prime, the Creator of The Ridiculously Happy Wife program, the host of The Empowered Wife Podcast and she has appeared on The Today Show, Good Morning America and The View.
She has helped over 15,000 women fix their relationships–even the hopeless ones– without their husband’s effort. But the thing that Laura is most proud of is her gratifying 31-year marriage with her hilarious husband John, who has been dressing himself since before she was born.
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Listen to this informative Publish. Promote. Profit. episode with Laura Doyle on ending divorce.
Here are some of the beneficial topics covered on this week’s show:
- How you can’t control your husband so there is no benefit to trying.
- Why seeking control is a product of fear and how to relinquish it.
- The six skills and twenty cheat phrases to win the game of marriage.
- How doing things differently can get you the kind of relationship you’ve never had before.
- Why it’s important to have a team and support group around you to accomplish goals.
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Rob Kosberg:
Hey, everybody. Welcome that the Publish, Promote podcast. It’s Rob Kosberg again with you. I have a guest that you are going to love, and that perhaps is going to be discussing one of the most important topics of your life, and depending on where you are in your marriage, if you’re married, maybe the most important topic in your life. New York Times bestselling author, Laura Doyle, was the perfect wife until she actually got married. I love this little story, so I’m going to tell it. When she told her husband how to be tidier, more romantic, and more ambitious, he avoided her. I can’t imagine. So she dragged him to marriage counseling and nearly divorced him. In desperation, she asked happily married women for their secrets, and that’s when she got her miracle, the man who had wooed her had returned. Laura’s books have been translated into 19 languages, 30 different countries, and accidentally started a worldwide movement. Laura’s mission is to end world divorce. I love that. She’s the founder of the international relationship coach training school, Laura Doyle Connect, the star of Empowered Wives on Amazon Prime, and the creator of the Ridiculously Happy Wife program. I’ve been married 32 years and that is what I want, a ridiculously happy wife. You are the host of the Empowered Wife podcast. Of course, one of your New York Times bestselling books is, The Empowered Wife, as well. You’ve appeared on The Today Show, Good Morning America, The View, and now, finally, the Publish, Promote, Profit podcast. Laura, so great to have you. Thank you for being on the podcast today. Really excited to talk to you.
Laura Doyle:
Oh, I’m excited to be here. Thanks for having me.
Rob Kosberg:
What an important topic. I watched my dad go through four marriages and four divorces. The first one, which was a product of my mom and dad, I was only six months old. I didn’t exactly watch that, at least the way I did the others. I was personally pretty terrified of the idea of being married. Now, I’ve been married 32 years. I love my wife. We have a great relationship. Sadly, that is not the case in most situations. Tell me, how long have you been doing this? Tell me about the number of people that you’ve helped. Give me the vision of what you’ve done and where this thing is going.
Laura Doyle:
I definitely started out really just trying to save my own marriage. That was the big goal. When I got these suggestions from these other women, I had really been right on the brink of divorce. I remember I was sitting on the counselor’s gray couch when I thought, “This is hopeless. He’s never going to change. I have got to get divorced or I’m going to spend the rest of my life in a loveless marriage.” I really was right there. So, I talked to these other women and I thought they were going to say things like, “Oh, you have to marry the right person,” but they didn’t. They didn’t say that. Good thing, right? They did give me these ideas that were pretty counter to what I’d seen growing up. Like you, I’m the product of parents who divorced, so I had a failed recipe that I was following. I was going to get the same results that my parents got. I started doing some of the crazy things they suggested, these happily married women. I remember it was not very long after I started doing them that I walked through the door, and my husband’s face lit up. He was happy to see me again. I thought, “Okay, something’s right here. Something’s working.” I really got a glimpse, “Okay, now I’ve got the right information. I know what to do to have a good marriage.” I got very hopeful and then I thought, “Okay, we’re not going to have those big fights anymore, those cold wars where there’s no talking for days.” Then we’re in the car not long after that, and we had one of those big blow ups again. I just thought, “Ugh.” I had it all figured out and what I realized was I knew what to do, but I couldn’t really get myself to keep doing it. It wasn’t that the new stuff was hard. It was new. It was just new. I had this idea, if I get some of my friends, and they have to do it too, we’re all doing it together. That would give me some structure and some accountability so that I could keep up my new habits. So, there are five of us, and we just meet in my living room. They would report these miracles too. One woman was like, “Oh, my husband won the sales contest at work and he took me on the most romantic getaway of our lives.” She’d also been unhappy in her marriage. Another one said, “This isn’t going to sound big, but we’ve been arguing for months about I want him to paint the family room. Well he got up and just painted the family room. He did it with a smile.” She’s like, “That’s a miracle.” We’re really seeing this works. So, one of those woman said, “Can you write down what we’re doing for my cousin in Florida. She can’t come to California for these little meetings.” I said, “Sure. I’ll do that.” That became my first book. I went to my husband, who was quite pleased with what I was doing also. I said, “I think there might be maybe 2,000 women who would be interested to get this information in their hands.” He said, “Okay, well you write it up and we’ll publish it.” We published it together, self-published. Then I called the LA Times, and I just said, “I’m doing something I think you might be interested in. You should come over.” Unknowingly, I had named this book, I was in my own little world, thinking this is exactly what we’re doing. I had named it in a way that was quite controversial and upsetting to many people because I called it, The Surrendered Wife. It’s so funny now. I talk to younger wives and they’re like, “It just seemed very old fashioned.” I’m like, “Oh, it did to me too. Believe me.” That was 20 years ago. But a surrendered wife just knows she can’t control her husband. It’s not going to help if she tells him how to drive, or what to wear, or what to eat for lunch, so she doesn’t try. She instead focuses on her own happiness. That, in turn, really improves the intimacy, because what does he want more than anything? For her to be happy. Just like you were saying earlier. That was the start of it, and then the LA Times did a story. Back then we had the wire, things were picked up on the wire. It ran nationally, internationally. This is kind of a crazy thing. Then Simon and Schuster republished it. I had to rewrite the whole thing really. It was much better after that, 19 languages in 30 countries. I didn’t set out to do any of that. I just wanted to fix my own marriage. It ended up being this calling. Dateline did an investigative piece. I had a workshop at the time. They followed one of the workshop members. It aired one night, like on a Wednesday, and when I woke up the next morning, my book was number one on Amazon, of all books. Then we hit the New York Times list. Women just kept reaching out to me, “Okay, I got the book.” Like me, they knew what to do, and they couldn’t do it. They were asking for help. I was trying to help everybody one by one. I just got overwhelmed. I didn’t have any systems or structure to do that. I just remember at one point being like, “Everything’s in the book. Just read my book.” Finally, I realized, “Okay, I can train other women to be coaches.” We’re coaches now. I have a team of about 40 coaches that support all the women that come through our organization.
Rob Kosberg:
I love it. I have so many questions from that. This may be an unfair question, but I want to ask. Everybody has their magic, their process, their six steps, whatever it is. Is there a way that you can give us a taste of what that looks like? I’d love to hear.
Laura Doyle:
Oh yes, absolutely. I’m on a mission to end world divorce. I am holding nothing back. Definitely go get the book, but get my free roadmap, join my free, Adored Wife, Facebook group. I have so much free stuff that I’m happy to just give everything away as much as I can because it’s a big mission. We’re making a dent I feel. Tens of thousands of women now have been able to fix their marriage using these. The six intimacy skills are the secrets that I learned from these women. The really surprising things that they said to me, that didn’t make any sense at the time, and I’ll give you an example, I remember one woman said, “I try never to criticize my husband, no matter how much it seems like he deserves it.” I remember thinking, I think I even said it, like, “Have you got anything else, because how is that going to work?” I didn’t even think that was possible. I’m mean, I’m supposed to be honest. I’m supposed to be authentic with my husband, and let him know when he is messing up. But honestly, that’s not what we did when we were falling in love. I didn’t tell him how he was messing up. I thought he was the smartest, most handsome, talented, funniest guy. That’s why I married him. I had to come up with some structure, some cheat phrases. The one that I came up with for that, because I was so controlling, unfortunately, I found out that control is about fear, and I was really choosing my fear over my faith and my husband’s competency. One of the cheat phrases I came up with to not criticize or control my husband, which are disrespectful of course, was to just say, “Whatever you think.” So, he’d say, “I know I got to take the car in to get those brakes looked at but I’m feeling like I think I’m going to do it next week instead of this week.” I’d be freaking out. That’s the brakes on the car. You can’t do that. Instead I would just say, “Whatever you think. I trust you.” I was really just trying to convey, “Yeah, I think you’re smart. I want you to make those decisions yourself. I don’t want to be telling you how you should to those things because I don’t want to feel like your smother mother,” who’s, by the way, not very sexually attractive to her husband. I started doing that, and then I was able to teach other women to use this phrase at the time too. One of my students had a great story. She had just read the book. It was a real eye-opener for her because she thought all the problems in her second marriage were because of him, as many of us have thought. She decided she was going to experiment with using this phrase as soon as she finished reading the book. He came up to her and he said, “Listen, you got to tell me what I should do with the cellphone plan. We need a new cellphone plan.” She was afraid he was going to mess up, but she said, “Oh, yeah, Doug, whatever you think,” and he goes, “No, come on. I don’t want to get in trouble later, so you better tell me what you want me to do.” She just repeated it. She said, “Whatever you think. I trust you.” So, he went away and made his decision about the cellphone plan. It was fine. They’d been sleeping in separate beds for six months and that night, he came up to her and he just said, “You were so nice today.” She said she got tears in her eyes, and she climbed into their same bed for the first time in six months that night. It was like the beginning of a reconciliation. That was 20 years ago, and she still gets tears in her eyes when she talks about how tragic it would have been to lose this guy who’s the love of her life just because she didn’t have the right training and the right skills. That’s a little glimpse. There are six skills, and there’s over 20 cheat phrases. They’re meant to put your heart right, like the way we teach children to say please and thank you because we want to cultivate gratitude. So I mean I’d be happy to go through all six if that’s how you want to use the time.
Rob Kosberg:
I love that. I’m happy to do whatever you want to do. I want people to get the book because I think the things you’re sharing are so powerful. Maybe go in a different direction, let me ask you this. From the previous title, the first tile, The Surrendered Wife, and just listening to you and connecting with you, was there, is there a spiritual component to all of this, and if so, how did that come about, and maybe share some of that? I’d like to hear.
Laura Doyle:
There’s definitely a spiritual component in terms of paying a lot more attention to your spirit. I remember at the end of the Oprah Show, she used to say remember your spirit. This, for me, this book really was the answer to that. We talk about staying on your paper. It’s sort of like when you’re a kid at school, they say, “Keep your eyes on your paper, not your neighbor’s paper.” We don’t have any power there. That’s where you get exhausted and overwhelmed. What’s happening on your paper? How do you feel? What do you want? So, we’re paying a lot of attention to our spirits. And certainly, like making ourselves ridiculously happy is one aspect of it. What we have found is that women from a wide variety of faiths, they’re all very attracted to this work. They all say something similar, which is, “I knew from my faith that this is what I am supposed to be doing. This really matches my faith, but I didn’t have the specific instructions, the specific training that I needed to really be successful, and now I do.”
Rob Kosberg:
I love that. I’ve listened carefully to what you’ve said. You’ve used words like, heart. You’ve talked about humility. Many of these are very basic spiritual principles. Maybe basic isn’t the right word. They’re fundamental spiritual principles that often get lost because oftentimes, people that maybe don’t have a religious upbringing, or even a spiritual upbringing or sense, they look at religious people as the opposite. They’re arrogant. They want to impose their opinion on other people. There certainly is that element, but this is the opposite, which really is a fundamental belief. I wonder if you can speak to that at all? That must be interesting that you must have both. You must have people that are still opposed in one sense to some of the things you’re teaching because it doesn’t feel very 2021-ish. On the other hand, there must be this real embracing of it by certain people that either have experienced it in their faith, or just knew they should have experienced in their faith. I wonder if you can speak to that at all?
Laura Doyle:
If somebody had given me my books prior to me writing them, I would have been like, “No, thank you. I am a feminist, and I’m well-educated, and my opinion counts, and I know that.” So, I do think it is a spiritual journey, in every sense of the word, to gain that humility and to choose your faith over your fear. It’s true what you said. I certainly have students who are quite enthusiastic, but they’re like, “But not this part,” and I get that. I don’t want to do that part either sometimes. I feel like that’s okay. That’s good. You can experiment with these skills. It’s maybe just you’re doing something different than you’ve ever done before to get the kind of relationship you’ve never had before. If that’s motivating, if you think having a strong marriage, a lasting marriage, if that’s a priority to you, if that’s important to you, then that’s where the willingness comes from to maybe stretch, and grow, and do things that are pretty uncomfortable at first. Some of the phrases really felt like saw dust in my mouth. Then they became honey in my mouth after I saw the results and felt the restored dignity in myself and confidence that I got from them.
Rob Kosberg:
I wonder, Laura, the obvious theme is helping people in their marriages, which probably means that a lot of people are coming in desperate circumstances. Is there any kind of movement to getting this to people in marriage counseling.
Laura Doyle:
Well yeah, absolutely. So that is a big part of my podcast, the Empowered Wife podcast. I go through everything in the six skills, and hold nothing back, and give all my best stuff. I hold a challenge where I invite people to come onto Facebook, that’s coming up in August actually, and we just go through the whole thing as a community. We just all, “Today, we’re all going to try this cheat phrase,” or you’re going to experiment with taking this action or whatever. I have coaches all over the world, we are trying to serve women wherever you find them, which is certainly at churches and moms’ groups and just wherever we can get to them. I mean, I will say that it is true that most of my students show up feeling pretty hopeless. Like, “I know it’s worked for other people, Laura, but I just don’t see. I just can’t see how it’s going to help. The problem is his drinking. The problem is his other woman. The problem is that he’s verbally abusive, or emotionally abusive, or physically abusive. How in the world is this ever going to fix anything? I just don’t see it.” I feel like my students are my heroes too because I feel like I should have awards or something to give out because they’ll come with a triple threat. I just interviewed a woman on the podcast where he said, “We’re getting divorced.” He had another woman. He had moved out, so separated. It’s the trifecta. Here she was coming on my podcast, to talk about the miracle in her marriage where a year ago, that was their situation, and now here we are a year hence from her getting the community, and the skills, and the support, the coaching that she needed, and they’re back together. She says her marriage is better than ever. She’s pregnant, expecting their next child. They inspire me. That’s what I get to witness every day. So, when you’re hope is low, that’s where I want you to come closer to this community, because that’s part of what we’re here for. You had a little shred of hope, you misplaced it somewhere. That’s okay. Come on over, we’ll remind you of what’s possible.
Rob Kosberg:
You know what’s interesting, I’m just going to be blunt and honest. Maybe not blunt, but honest. But it’s funny, even like hearing some of the things that you’re sharing, I have this uneasiness, like even in myself, like, “That guy doesn’t deserve her.” Like you said, they’re verbally abusive, physically abusive. I’m like, “Oh, should that be fixed?” Is that weird?
Laura Doyle:
No, it’s totally appropriate. Especially somebody you love, you just want to protect them, right? If you hear he’s abusive, he’s cheating, he’s drinking excessively, you just think, “Oh my God, get out.”
Laura Doyle:
Right, so kind of an embarrassing story, in that first book, The Surrendered Wife, that’s pretty much what I wrote. If he’s one of these three things that we’re talking about right now, then I say you should leave. Don’t stay. It’s not safe. I ended up having to eat humble pie, because what I discovered was that women would say, “He’s these things and I have five kids and I’m not going to break up my family,” or, “I would have to go get a job, or whatever, “I don’t want to lose status in my church,” or, “I made a covenant to God and I’m not going to break it.” I have a lot of women say that. They needed something and they were willing. They were willing to do some work on their side just to see, “What if I just clean up my side of the street? Let’s just see what happens.” That’s where I feel like I really do need awards for these wives. It just blows my mind. I have a coach who had a restraining order against her husband. Now she’s just a powerful coach. She has fixed so many marriages. I have another one who went to the hospital for physical abuse, but they saw another possibility. I mean, I always think safety comes first. Of course, if you’re not safe, and you’re the expert on your own life, and you have to do what fits for you. If you decide like, “Hey, I really have to get out. This is really an unsafe situation.” Then I completely support that. I’m not the expert on your marriage. So today, I’m going to stand for every marriage. If you want to fix it, come on over. We got you.
Rob Kosberg:
That’s beautiful. I mean, that’s inspiring and challenging.
Laura Doyle:
Challenging, it is.
Rob Kosberg:
It is challenging. It challenges conventional thought. A lot of these things do. I haven’t been married for 32 years because I’ve done it the way everyone else has done it. You got to throw out conventional thought if you want an unconventional marriage. So many marriages end in divorce. Even the ones that don’t aren’t particularly happy in many cases. I love what you’re doing. I congratulate you. I couldn’t be happier for you. I feel like I’ve known you forever. Maybe we can shift gears a little. You have a challenge coming up. I love challenges. We do an online book challenge and that kind of thing. It helps so many people. So, I want to make sure if we can give the link to the challenge if you’re okay with that. I want to at least mention that. We’ll give them a bunch of different links and we’ll put them in the show notes. So, part of the Publish, Promote, Profit podcast is your magic, and your magic is incredible. I congratulate you and wish you much, much more success. The other part of it is telling us about how, and you shared a little bit, how your books in particular, and your content, has really helped you to become an authority in your space, get your message out to the world, specific examples of that. So many people have a great story in them, and great content, and great knowledge, and yet are oftentimes afraid maybe of writing their book or taking those steps. We want to try to inspire them to do what they need to do in that case. Maybe you can tell me a little bit about that. Are you continuing to write? Are you continuing to create content? Give me the vibe on that.
Laura Doyle:
I create content almost every day still, to this day. I have five books, and I’m feeling pretty complete with that I have to say. My latest book, The Empowered Wife, I’m super proud and happy with how it really lays out everything for women to really get started. I just want to speak to how scary everything is at every stage. I mean, I was super passionate to write my first book, all my books. When it came to going on The Today Show, and Good Morning America, and Dateline, like oh my goodness. Like can I just go back to bed because I don’t think I’m ready for this. I feel like every stage is that way. Like when I started my coaching organization, when I did the Empowered Wives on Amazon, I just get terrified all the time. I mean, one is, I try not to let that stop me. I mean, I’m sure it does sometimes. It probably does. There are probably things I would have done if I wasn’t so scared all the time. There’s just nothing quite like having a team of cheerleaders, people that are standing for your greatness, and cheering you on. It’s almost like saying, “Who wants to do this with me,” and people raise their hand. They do. They want to do it with you. I think about my coach Kathy Murray, who’s been with me since the beginning, for 20 years now. That has just given me so much inner strength. I’ve gone so much further by having a team, being surrounded by people who share the same passion and mission, and really want me to be successful. They want themselves to be successful too. It’s almost like, “Hey, let’s go this way,” and everyone’s like, “Yeah, that sounds great. Let’s do it.”
Rob Kosberg:
I love that. So having the right team around you, super important. Obviously having people that share the dream with you and what your goals and desires. In some ways, it might be hard for people to relate to you because Today Show, Good Morning America, The View, Dateline, New York Times bestselling author. I think, and I don’t know all the dates of that, but I think that some of those things took place a while ago. Your more recent books, perhaps you’ve gotten media, and certainly you’ve gotten attention, but I think it’s probably been a little bit different than the attention that you’ve gotten in the past. Talk to me a little bit about how your more recent books have helped you. How has it helped you to further your message, build your coaching program, that kind of thing, without the Today Show, or Good Morning America, if you know what I mean?
Laura Doyle:
Rob, you’re so smart to make that distinction. That is a really important one. I remember really feeling discouraged that I couldn’t make it rain again the way it all happened with that first book. I was like, “That was amazing. Let’s just do that again.” It didn’t happen that way at all. The most recent book was really born out of needing to update my messaging. Like, “This is what I’ve learned over the past 15 years after that first book.” I’d been married 15 years longer, and I’d had all these tens of thousands of students that I’d learned so much from. It was that mea culpa that I mentioned earlier. That book, the purpose was very much like, “I really want to just lay out these six intimacy skills so clearly, so black and white, for everyone to just pick up.” I had already started my coaching organization at that point, so it felt like a tool. Everybody can have this, and then they’re indoctrinated. They come and they know why they’re coming me. I’m not just some relationship expert, marriage expert. They are attracted to this message too, that marriage, lasting marriage, is important, and they have power to do that. I think, I definitely did a lot of the traditional things that you would think. I sadly fell into some telesummits, which I don’t recommend necessarily. I’ve done many podcasts, been a guest on many podcasts of course, and did do some TV. I did just a little bit of that kind of thing. I just didn’t get the same kind of explosive growth. Fundamentally, I’m a writer. In fact, I do these speaking things and other things, but that’s not really my wheelhouse. My wheelhouse is, I’m a writer. Through the blogs, one thing that happened, I was just so fortunate, was I would write a blog on how to get him back, and it would start to rank highly on Google because I was really speaking to my niche audience. That’s exactly what they were looking for. Today, I’m proud to say most of the women that find me, find me organically. We also have fantastic word of mouth. Fortunately, women read the book, they get super excited, and they make all their friends read the book too. I’ve done a lot less traditional media than I did with the first one. We’re really happy with where with are and who the book reaches.
Rob Kosberg:
I love it. Some ways, you call it lightning in the bottle in the beginning. Yet, that doesn’t necessarily create longevity in and of itself. Most of the people that are listening will not do that. They’re not going to hit the New York Times necessarily, and maybe be on all of these amazing shows. I haven’t. However, having a great book, like Publish, Promote, Profit is a Wall Street Journal bestseller, but it hasn’t sold millions of copies of course. That book has led to about $3 million in revenue to my business in just the last 18 months. We’re using it in conjunction with paid advertising, book funnels, online challenges, those kinds of things. That is lasting because if you have a message, and you can continue to put your message at a profit, because it’s a business venture, right? If you’re going to keep doing what you’re doing, you need to survive. You need to make money. The more people you want to get your message in front of, the more money it’s going to cost you to do that. I love what you’re doing, the blogging, all your writing. If you haven’t done book funnels, it may be hard if your books are traditionally published, because it’s a little bit more expensive that way. Book funnels are a fantastic way. I’m telling you; I know of a couple of people that run book funnels in the marriage advice, relationship space, and get their message out in a big, big, powerful way. It’s a very profitable place to, on Facebook, Instagram, even YouTube, advertising in a free plus shipping type book funnel. Anyway, we can talk more about that, and I can send you some links if you’re interested in that kind of thing. Thanks for sharing that because it’s important for people to hear that kind of thing because so many of my clients come to me and they’re like, “You know what? We want to hit New York Times and we want to be on these shows.” I’m like, “Well what then? Okay? Let’s say that were to happen. It’s not going to, but let’s say it were. What then?” You need a sustainable way to get your message out. Your book is everybody’s book. There has to be a process that is, we like to call it proactive as opposed to reactive. Reactive is things are happening, and the book is selling, and it’s just amazing. You don’t even know where it’s coming from. Proactive is, “Oh, I know where it’s coming from. I do this and I get this back,” kind of thing. I mean probably on Facebook alone maybe we’ve sold 20 or 25,000 copies in the last 18 months. That’s generally not at a profit. That’s at a loss, or breakeven best case scenario. What that does is that leads people to me through our email autoresponder and through our other process of people that say, “Well, I want to do everything that you teach in Publish, Promote, Profit. but I don’t have time. I’m a business owner. Can I just write you a check?” Of course, we’re willing to take a check. It’s what we do. We’ll help them with that. That’s the point. That’s the point of our business, helping the right people to get their message out, and then kind of duplicate that in whatever their space is. Your message matters. It matters. It’s already helped tens of thousands. There are certainly tens of thousands more that need to help. Let’s give them the link to the challenge.
Laura Doyle:
So I have two really great things going on. One is that challenge. The timing is fantastic. So, if you go to Facebook and join my free Adored Wife Facebook group, that’s where we’re going to hold the challenge. You can also be notified by email. One great way to join my email list is to go and download the free Adored Wife Roadmap. It’s a pdf. If you just go and download that, you can check the box that says you want to hear about other stuff that we’re doing, then I’ll keep you up to date. That Adored Wife Roadmap is fantastic. It has the six things laid out on there, and it also has three most common mistakes that women make when they’re trying to get their husband’s time, attention, and affection. Which I made all those mistakes too, sadly, and then what to do instead.
Rob Kosberg:
What’s the link to get that download?
Laura Doyle:
It’s LauraDoyle.org.
Rob Kosberg:
Awesome. So we’ll send them there. Of course, they can look up The Adored Wife on Facebook. And yours is the group, and they can join that group for the challenge. I assume you do multiple challenges at different times?
Laura Doyle:
I’ve done a few. I’m just getting started with them. I think for sure we do at least one a year, maybe two a year. We’ll see how that pans out in the future. They’re so inspiring and exciting. Don’t miss the challenge.
Rob Kosberg:
Good. Laura, thank you. I know we went a little long, but this was really, really good stuff for people. Thank you for being here today. Loved having you on the podcast.
Laura Doyle:
Oh, thank you so much, Rob. It’s really been a pleasure. Really appreciate it.
