James Stoxen, DC is a much sought-after speaker by medical societies around the world. He has organized and/or given over 1000 live presentations on numerous health topics. He has been invited to speak at over 180 medical conferences in over 30 countries such as Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, Columbia, Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, Principality of Monaco, Russia, Scotland, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland, Thailand, Turkey, UAE, UK, and throughout the United States. He has presented keynote and plenary presentations at more than 75 medical conferences addressing an estimate of more than 50,000 medical doctors and scientists.
Listen to this informative Publish. Promote. Profit. episode with James Stoxen, DC about landing keynote speeches all around the world by publishing a book.
Here are some of the beneficial topics covered on this week’s show:
- How thoracic outlet syndrome is one of the most misdiagnosed and mistreated syndromes of the upper body.
- The importance of credible sources when looking to solve a problem.
- How writing a book contributes to your credibility and results in you becoming a sought-after commodity in your field.
- The many powerful ways writing a book can help a multitude of others.
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Rob Kosberg:
Hey welcome everybody. Rob Kosberg here. I have another great episode of the Publish. Promote. Profit. Podcast. It may sound a little arrogant, but I think it’s going to be a great episode because I have an awesome guest for you today; Dr. James Stoxen, he’s a friend. I’ve known James for a number of years. He’s the president of Team Doctors Treatment Training Center in Chicago. One of the most recognized treatment centers in the world. He’s the number one international best-selling author of The Human Spring Approach to Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. We’re going to talk a little bit about that today. James has lectured at medical conferences all over the world. He has been peer-reviewed in 175 different peer review medical journals. He’s given over a thousand live presentations, lectured at over 70 medical conferences to over 50,000 doctors. You’re in the national fitness hall of fame. You’ve done a lot and of course you’ve written a book that has done some amazing things for your business. One of the things that I love to talk to you about is you’ve been kind of the working doctor to celebrities, elite entertainers, over a thousand top celebrity entertainers. You have that giant wall. Of course, you’re not in your office right now, but you have that giant wall of all those backstage passes. I love that. Anyway, James, great to have you on the show today. We have a lot to talk about. Welcome my friend.
Dr. James Stoxen:
Thank you. How are you doing?Rob Kosberg:
I’m doing great. I know that was a long introduction and you’re traveling. So, thanks for taking the time to travel and spend some time with us on the podcast. You’ve been doing this a long time. You’ve been in this business for over 20 years, maybe 30 years at this point. You specialize and you’ve written this book on thoracic outlet syndrome. Can you give us a layman’s definition of what that is and how that applies to people in a regular everyday type setting.Dr. James Stoxen:
Okay. Thoracic outlet is a tunnel that allows the nerves from the neck and the artery from the heart and the vein that pumps blood into the arm and then you have nerves from the neck that go under the collarbone and then into the arm. And then you’ve got the subclavian artery that supplies the blood to the arm. It goes over the ribs, underneath the collarbone and into the arm. And then you have a vein that drains the blood out. And then what happens is that the neck and the shoulder get so stiff, Rob. What we have is like a spring system that holds our shoulders up. Normally, you can play football and hit each other really hard with the shoulder and that can even hurt, and you go back in the huddle and it’s no problem because it’s built on a spring system. But what happens is that the muscles get so tight in here, that the neck muscle pulls the rib cage up into this tunnel and the muscles of the shoulder, like holding the cell phone too long, they get tight. It literally drags the shoulder down into the outlet. So, you’ve got the neck muscles pulling the rib up into the outlet; the rib cage; and then you’ve got the muscles in the shoulder dragging the shoulder down into the outlet. So, it sandwiches it and it causes an array of symptoms that confuse a lot of doctors. Let’s just face it, thoracic outlet syndrome is one of the most misdiagnosed and mistreated syndromes of the upper body. The reason why I wrote the book is because there’s so much computer use, so much cell phone use that this area is just getting too much work. I’m 35 years in practice. I became a doctor at 24, and I remember we would do some soft tissue and then some adjustments and the guy was good to go. Nowadays, a patient is no longer a patient. It’s a project. The amount of treatment that’s required to release this mess in here is more than is available to their insurance policy. Like in other words, with these really bad cases, it takes me three and a half hours sometimes just to go through one time with deep tissue to just get the process started, where it used to take 30 minutes of deep tissue in here, but now it’s taking three and a half hours. Sometimes it takes 25, 30 hours of work on just one side to release the pressure. And also, the muscle tension is so bad that it twists the body into this chronic state of suffering. People try to stretch it out. It’s just extremely difficult to manage.Rob Kosberg:
Can you give me some examples for the layman of what types of symptoms somebody may be feeling or experiencing that might be thoracic outlet syndrome?Dr. James Stoxen:
Absolutely. Well, what happens is first, the first symptom is that your neck is stiff and then you go like this and sometimes you get a little crack out of it but each time you do that, you actually pull through what they call the scalene muscles, and you lift the rib up even higher. So sometimes you go doctors, they say, “I got this pain in my neck,” and they really are more like technicians. They’re really not very good at analyzing the engineering of the body. And they think of the body as a lever system when it’s really an integrated spring. That’s the second half of it. They pull on the neck like this, and then they end up pulling these ribs up even higher. Then if it gets high enough, if it blocks the vein, you can get a blood clot right here under that vein. If it releases, it goes right into the lung, and when it does, it either kills a part of the lung, where the big problem is you start heavy breathing because part of your lung is dead, and then you’re trying to bring in more oxygen to fill the parts that can bring the oxygen in. But that’s when it’s really extreme. Now, doctors don’t play around with this thing. When you have thoracic outlet syndrome, sometimes they put you on blood thinners to keep the clot from forming. It can get pretty serious. I mean, there’s a lot of MLB players, mostly pitchers, that have had surgery to surgically remove these muscles and surgically remove the rib and cut some muscles in the chest area to open this up, instead of the treatment that of course we do that prevents the surgery. The initial symptom also might be pins and needles or numbness in the pinky finger and the ring finger, because as the rib comes up, it clips off the first nerve at the bottom. That’s this nerve right here, and then as it rises up, it starts affecting these fingers here. Here’s an example – I was working backstage for Steely Dan and the bass player brought this gentleman back and he said, “You’ve got to help my friend.” We were at the sushi restaurant; he couldn’t even pick up the plastic top off of the sushi. I said, “Wow, he’s in bad shape.” Steely Dan, they were upstairs. I was downstairs in the backstage and I could hear him warming up. And I’m like, I can’t wait to see Steely Dan at 8:15. And he goes, “Here’s a project for you.” And I’m like, “Oh, great.” A guy with really complex symptomatology and he’s got a Rolex on, I don’t even know who he is, but I mean, obviously if he’s backstage, he’s Steely Dan. So, the bottom line is that I asked him one simple question, I said, “What’s wrong with you?” He had no grip strength. He had to open the door by putting pressure on it and turning it like this, by putting pressure on the spinning end. He sold all his recording equipment. He had to move out of his house into his brother’s house, because he couldn’t open the door sometimes. He had to have help, because he can’t use his hands. And he was a piano player for Smokey Robinson for 35 years and a studio musician on almost 300 record albums, 35 number one hits. I don’t know who he is yet. I’m still talking to him and I said, “How did this symptomatology develop?” He said, “Well, I was just leaning back in the chair, waiting for the tour bus to come and get us to take us to the gig and all of a sudden I like start feeling this tingling here in my fingertips. It was mostly here.” And I said, “Well, how did it progress?” He said, “It went this way. And then it started on this side, went that way.” I said, “You do not have diabetic neuropathy.” He says, “Excuse me, doctor, but I have been to the best doctor in the world, and he has diagnosed me with diabetic neuropathy. I am diabetic.” I said, “Look, do you want me to prove it to you?” He says, “Yeah, okay. I’ll take that.” So, I put this towel on his neck and shoulder and I put this powerful massager that we use, Massage Assist from Team Doctors. It’s a powerful massager that vibrates rigorously and when you apply the pressure, you can push the inflammation out of the area very quickly and you can relax those muscles that were pulling on his first rib. He’s lying on his side; there’s about 40 very famous people back there, and the machine makes a noise so he’s trying to talk over the machine and yells out, “My arm is on fire.” And I’m like, “Oh, God!” Because what he’s experiencing is all this blood rushing into the arm for the first time in five years, like lots of it. And when you lay on your arm, when you wake up and your arm is like alien and then it comes back and then it starts to feel kind of weird. Sometimes it’s irritating when blood comes back in. He was really irritated. The last thing you need to do is have the guy scream. So, I turned the machine off and I looked down and I said, “Mr. Burke, didn’t you say that you couldn’t do this before?” I said, “Try that.” “Oh my God, I’ve never done that in three years.” I said, “All right, do you want me to continue? Because I’d like to go see Steely Dan.” He goes, “No, I could see Steely Dan any day, you keep treating me.” And then that was a friendship for life right there. He didn’t call me right away. I was wondering, what’s taken him so long? And then he finally called me because the grip strength was enough for him, he thought he was cured and I said, “Get in here.” And then we finished the job. It’s one of those stories that you’ll never forget. You know what I mean?
Thank you. How are you doing?Rob Kosberg:
I’m doing great. I know that was a long introduction and you’re traveling. So, thanks for taking the time to travel and spend some time with us on the podcast. You’ve been doing this a long time. You’ve been in this business for over 20 years, maybe 30 years at this point. You specialize and you’ve written this book on thoracic outlet syndrome. Can you give us a layman’s definition of what that is and how that applies to people in a regular everyday type setting.Dr. James Stoxen:
Okay. Thoracic outlet is a tunnel that allows the nerves from the neck and the artery from the heart and the vein that pumps blood into the arm and then you have nerves from the neck that go under the collarbone and then into the arm. And then you’ve got the subclavian artery that supplies the blood to the arm. It goes over the ribs, underneath the collarbone and into the arm. And then you have a vein that drains the blood out. And then what happens is that the neck and the shoulder get so stiff, Rob. What we have is like a spring system that holds our shoulders up. Normally, you can play football and hit each other really hard with the shoulder and that can even hurt, and you go back in the huddle and it’s no problem because it’s built on a spring system. But what happens is that the muscles get so tight in here, that the neck muscle pulls the rib cage up into this tunnel and the muscles of the shoulder, like holding the cell phone too long, they get tight. It literally drags the shoulder down into the outlet. So, you’ve got the neck muscles pulling the rib up into the outlet; the rib cage; and then you’ve got the muscles in the shoulder dragging the shoulder down into the outlet. So, it sandwiches it and it causes an array of symptoms that confuse a lot of doctors. Let’s just face it, thoracic outlet syndrome is one of the most misdiagnosed and mistreated syndromes of the upper body. The reason why I wrote the book is because there’s so much computer use, so much cell phone use that this area is just getting too much work. I’m 35 years in practice. I became a doctor at 24, and I remember we would do some soft tissue and then some adjustments and the guy was good to go. Nowadays, a patient is no longer a patient. It’s a project. The amount of treatment that’s required to release this mess in here is more than is available to their insurance policy. Like in other words, with these really bad cases, it takes me three and a half hours sometimes just to go through one time with deep tissue to just get the process started, where it used to take 30 minutes of deep tissue in here, but now it’s taking three and a half hours. Sometimes it takes 25, 30 hours of work on just one side to release the pressure. And also, the muscle tension is so bad that it twists the body into this chronic state of suffering. People try to stretch it out. It’s just extremely difficult to manage.Rob Kosberg:
Can you give me some examples for the layman of what types of symptoms somebody may be feeling or experiencing that might be thoracic outlet syndrome?Dr. James Stoxen:
Absolutely. Well, what happens is first, the first symptom is that your neck is stiff and then you go like this and sometimes you get a little crack out of it but each time you do that, you actually pull through what they call the scalene muscles, and you lift the rib up even higher. So sometimes you go doctors, they say, “I got this pain in my neck,” and they really are more like technicians. They’re really not very good at analyzing the engineering of the body. And they think of the body as a lever system when it’s really an integrated spring. That’s the second half of it. They pull on the neck like this, and then they end up pulling these ribs up even higher. Then if it gets high enough, if it blocks the vein, you can get a blood clot right here under that vein. If it releases, it goes right into the lung, and when it does, it either kills a part of the lung, where the big problem is you start heavy breathing because part of your lung is dead, and then you’re trying to bring in more oxygen to fill the parts that can bring the oxygen in. But that’s when it’s really extreme. Now, doctors don’t play around with this thing. When you have thoracic outlet syndrome, sometimes they put you on blood thinners to keep the clot from forming. It can get pretty serious. I mean, there’s a lot of MLB players, mostly pitchers, that have had surgery to surgically remove these muscles and surgically remove the rib and cut some muscles in the chest area to open this up, instead of the treatment that of course we do that prevents the surgery. The initial symptom also might be pins and needles or numbness in the pinky finger and the ring finger, because as the rib comes up, it clips off the first nerve at the bottom. That’s this nerve right here, and then as it rises up, it starts affecting these fingers here. Here’s an example – I was working backstage for Steely Dan and the bass player brought this gentleman back and he said, “You’ve got to help my friend.” We were at the sushi restaurant; he couldn’t even pick up the plastic top off of the sushi. I said, “Wow, he’s in bad shape.” Steely Dan, they were upstairs. I was downstairs in the backstage and I could hear him warming up. And I’m like, I can’t wait to see Steely Dan at 8:15. And he goes, “Here’s a project for you.” And I’m like, “Oh, great.” A guy with really complex symptomatology and he’s got a Rolex on, I don’t even know who he is, but I mean, obviously if he’s backstage, he’s Steely Dan. So, the bottom line is that I asked him one simple question, I said, “What’s wrong with you?” He had no grip strength. He had to open the door by putting pressure on it and turning it like this, by putting pressure on the spinning end. He sold all his recording equipment. He had to move out of his house into his brother’s house, because he couldn’t open the door sometimes. He had to have help, because he can’t use his hands. And he was a piano player for Smokey Robinson for 35 years and a studio musician on almost 300 record albums, 35 number one hits. I don’t know who he is yet. I’m still talking to him and I said, “How did this symptomatology develop?” He said, “Well, I was just leaning back in the chair, waiting for the tour bus to come and get us to take us to the gig and all of a sudden I like start feeling this tingling here in my fingertips. It was mostly here.” And I said, “Well, how did it progress?” He said, “It went this way. And then it started on this side, went that way.” I said, “You do not have diabetic neuropathy.” He says, “Excuse me, doctor, but I have been to the best doctor in the world, and he has diagnosed me with diabetic neuropathy. I am diabetic.” I said, “Look, do you want me to prove it to you?” He says, “Yeah, okay. I’ll take that.” So, I put this towel on his neck and shoulder and I put this powerful massager that we use, Massage Assist from Team Doctors. It’s a powerful massager that vibrates rigorously and when you apply the pressure, you can push the inflammation out of the area very quickly and you can relax those muscles that were pulling on his first rib. He’s lying on his side; there’s about 40 very famous people back there, and the machine makes a noise so he’s trying to talk over the machine and yells out, “My arm is on fire.” And I’m like, “Oh, God!” Because what he’s experiencing is all this blood rushing into the arm for the first time in five years, like lots of it. And when you lay on your arm, when you wake up and your arm is like alien and then it comes back and then it starts to feel kind of weird. Sometimes it’s irritating when blood comes back in. He was really irritated. The last thing you need to do is have the guy scream. So, I turned the machine off and I looked down and I said, “Mr. Burke, didn’t you say that you couldn’t do this before?” I said, “Try that.” “Oh my God, I’ve never done that in three years.” I said, “All right, do you want me to continue? Because I’d like to go see Steely Dan.” He goes, “No, I could see Steely Dan any day, you keep treating me.” And then that was a friendship for life right there. He didn’t call me right away. I was wondering, what’s taken him so long? And then he finally called me because the grip strength was enough for him, he thought he was cured and I said, “Get in here.” And then we finished the job. It’s one of those stories that you’ll never forget. You know what I mean?
Rob Kosberg:
Right. I know you travel all over the world, working with patients. We were talking maybe a couple of months ago; you were in Dubai and you had a patient that you spent four or five or six days with. This is kind of a primary part of your practice at this point is helping people that have been misdiagnosed in some way or another. Now they’re getting use of their limbs all over again. I mean, what must that be like? I mean, I know you’ve worked with a lot of famous people and celebrities and whatnot, but truth be told, like everybody has this issue. This is not just for people that play the piano or play the guitar. I mean, it’s anybody that could be sitting in this kind of position. What does that average person do? They’re not going to call you and potentially work with you, although they might, and we’ll certainly give them some links for them to do that, but are there some things that they can do on their own? Are there some ways that they can get some help and see, “Is this an issue that I have that can be fixed?”
Right. I know you travel all over the world, working with patients. We were talking maybe a couple of months ago; you were in Dubai and you had a patient that you spent four or five or six days with. This is kind of a primary part of your practice at this point is helping people that have been misdiagnosed in some way or another. Now they’re getting use of their limbs all over again. I mean, what must that be like? I mean, I know you’ve worked with a lot of famous people and celebrities and whatnot, but truth be told, like everybody has this issue. This is not just for people that play the piano or play the guitar. I mean, it’s anybody that could be sitting in this kind of position. What does that average person do? They’re not going to call you and potentially work with you, although they might, and we’ll certainly give them some links for them to do that, but are there some things that they can do on their own? Are there some ways that they can get some help and see, “Is this an issue that I have that can be fixed?”
Dr. James Stoxen:
Well, the first thing that you should do is find a credible source that describes the symptoms and you couldn’t have made it easier for me, obviously they should read the book. That’s the beginning. I mean, first of all, I have the book here and p-people don’t really know how the shoulder is designed. They have to understand that the shoulder is designed as an integrated spring system, and in here I’ve spent a lot of money; I invested in illustrations that are so perfect that they look at them and they say, “I get it. I get it.” You can’t expect a patient to learn this very complex areas, all these rotator cuff, and trapezius, pec minor, serratus, anterior, and what all these muscles do. Also, you can’t expect them to understand how this starts as a pain and just circuits around, and how they get locked in a state of chronic pain. “What is the tripping mechanism that keeps this tension constantly on my body that locks me literally in a state of chronic pain,” because that’s the answer to getting better is to find out what the circuit is. What keeps tripping this thing to keep it; every day wake up, maybe it’ll go away, tomorrow, it’s there again, five years later, it’s there again. We’ve had some people have acute onset. Typically, what they do is they find my book, and then they email me, they friend me, they Facebook text me, text me, and it’s like seven things, and they’re in a panic. One lady, she was truly in a panic. The muscles got so tight in here that it squeezed down her chest, and also, they were really tight in the abdomen. Very few people have that figured out, that the abdomen can get really tight from stress and pull down on the rib cage, and then when the rib cage is pulled down by the abdomen and muscles, you can’t release your neck because you need to have the abdomen release to get the neck to release. So, they kind of do this all the time. They make it worse. And so, she called me, and she said, “I’ve been in the emergency room three times in the last three weeks. I can’t sleep at night because I can’t breathe. And when I wake up, I have shortness of breath. I can’t breathe.” She’s only 34, and she ran two marathons last year. And I said, “Well, let’s get on the phone.” I spent about three hours with her on the phone and she said, “That’s it. I can’t come to see you, but I don’t know what to do, doctor.” I calmly said, “Don’t worry, I’ll just come to you. No problem. You want me to treat you in your living room? We’ll take care of it. Knock it out. Don’t worry. I’ll be there tomorrow.” They wired the funds for the treatment, I went to Kansas City, and I’ll never forget it; I was working on her, it was very quiet because the kids were upstairs, and it was very quiet. We were doing this muscle work and she turned to me and she just started crying. It all kind of messes me up. I have to leave the room; you know what I mean? So, she started crying and she said, “I can’t believe yesterday, I was in total panic and today you’re in my living room.” She’s looking at me and tears are flowing. I’m a tough guy, Rob, but those moments, I let go. The line on the review, “This book saved my life.” I didn’t tell her to write it. This is something that she came up with. To her, it did because in that second bout of that real bad chest pain and that restricted breathing, she had contacted her lawyer to set up a will to give her husband all the funds from her account, because she thought she was going down for the count. Things got pretty bad. Things got bad. When people are having a rough time and you pop up in their living room like it’s Mariah Carey being treated, they just appreciate it a great deal. I just really do appreciate it.
Well, the first thing that you should do is find a credible source that describes the symptoms and you couldn’t have made it easier for me, obviously they should read the book. That’s the beginning. I mean, first of all, I have the book here and p-people don’t really know how the shoulder is designed. They have to understand that the shoulder is designed as an integrated spring system, and in here I’ve spent a lot of money; I invested in illustrations that are so perfect that they look at them and they say, “I get it. I get it.” You can’t expect a patient to learn this very complex areas, all these rotator cuff, and trapezius, pec minor, serratus, anterior, and what all these muscles do. Also, you can’t expect them to understand how this starts as a pain and just circuits around, and how they get locked in a state of chronic pain. “What is the tripping mechanism that keeps this tension constantly on my body that locks me literally in a state of chronic pain,” because that’s the answer to getting better is to find out what the circuit is. What keeps tripping this thing to keep it; every day wake up, maybe it’ll go away, tomorrow, it’s there again, five years later, it’s there again. We’ve had some people have acute onset. Typically, what they do is they find my book, and then they email me, they friend me, they Facebook text me, text me, and it’s like seven things, and they’re in a panic. One lady, she was truly in a panic. The muscles got so tight in here that it squeezed down her chest, and also, they were really tight in the abdomen. Very few people have that figured out, that the abdomen can get really tight from stress and pull down on the rib cage, and then when the rib cage is pulled down by the abdomen and muscles, you can’t release your neck because you need to have the abdomen release to get the neck to release. So, they kind of do this all the time. They make it worse. And so, she called me, and she said, “I’ve been in the emergency room three times in the last three weeks. I can’t sleep at night because I can’t breathe. And when I wake up, I have shortness of breath. I can’t breathe.” She’s only 34, and she ran two marathons last year. And I said, “Well, let’s get on the phone.” I spent about three hours with her on the phone and she said, “That’s it. I can’t come to see you, but I don’t know what to do, doctor.” I calmly said, “Don’t worry, I’ll just come to you. No problem. You want me to treat you in your living room? We’ll take care of it. Knock it out. Don’t worry. I’ll be there tomorrow.” They wired the funds for the treatment, I went to Kansas City, and I’ll never forget it; I was working on her, it was very quiet because the kids were upstairs, and it was very quiet. We were doing this muscle work and she turned to me and she just started crying. It all kind of messes me up. I have to leave the room; you know what I mean? So, she started crying and she said, “I can’t believe yesterday, I was in total panic and today you’re in my living room.” She’s looking at me and tears are flowing. I’m a tough guy, Rob, but those moments, I let go. The line on the review, “This book saved my life.” I didn’t tell her to write it. This is something that she came up with. To her, it did because in that second bout of that real bad chest pain and that restricted breathing, she had contacted her lawyer to set up a will to give her husband all the funds from her account, because she thought she was going down for the count. Things got pretty bad. Things got bad. When people are having a rough time and you pop up in their living room like it’s Mariah Carey being treated, they just appreciate it a great deal. I just really do appreciate it.
Rob Kosberg:
Yeah. I love this. I love this for a couple of reasons. One, this is a good segue for us. I want to talk a little bit about the book and about your practice and how it’s kind of expanded your practice. One of the beautiful things about a book, and obviously this is what I do, how I help clients, and how I saw even my own businesses explode, is a book is a way to take your knowledge, take your experience, take your magic and transfer that to potentially millions of people, and people in countries all over the world. And so that’s what you’ve done. You very kindly sent me this. You sent me this before and after the book, this statistic sheet, which so cool. Just amazing. I’ll maybe go over a couple of these and ask, but in a general sense, tell me, what have you seen? What have you experienced? You gave one story just now about someone that read the book and contacted you. And within a day you were wired funds and in their living room. Besides that, specific story, in a general sense, what have you seen happen to your practice? What have you seen happen in the lives of people from your book?
Yeah. I love this. I love this for a couple of reasons. One, this is a good segue for us. I want to talk a little bit about the book and about your practice and how it’s kind of expanded your practice. One of the beautiful things about a book, and obviously this is what I do, how I help clients, and how I saw even my own businesses explode, is a book is a way to take your knowledge, take your experience, take your magic and transfer that to potentially millions of people, and people in countries all over the world. And so that’s what you’ve done. You very kindly sent me this. You sent me this before and after the book, this statistic sheet, which so cool. Just amazing. I’ll maybe go over a couple of these and ask, but in a general sense, tell me, what have you seen? What have you experienced? You gave one story just now about someone that read the book and contacted you. And within a day you were wired funds and in their living room. Besides that, specific story, in a general sense, what have you seen happen to your practice? What have you seen happen in the lives of people from your book?
Dr. James Stoxen:
Well, first of all, there’s two different components to being a doctor. You are going to be seeing the patients, which is part of everyone’s practice usually. Then you have the scientific component, and lecturing, and publishing, editing, journals, and that kind of thing. You’ve got two sides to it. In my case I wanted to do an international book tour. You were kind of like, “Hey, are you going to get your book done?” And I say, “I’m lecturing in Malaysia, and then I got to go to Shenzhen to treat a professional golfer. Things are crazy in my life. Then I’m going to Sydney to treat this hedge fund manager. Then I’m going to Mooloolaba to treat this Olympic swimmer, and then I’m going to Melbourne to work with Wiggles or something and I’ll be back in five weeks,” something like that. The book just kept getting kicked down the road. And what happens is that you just have to put a stop to it because you’ve got to get your book done. And so I said to myself, “I am not going to lecture again until this book is done.” And I love lecturing. So I put it on hold. I said, “That’s it. I am getting this done. I’m not leaving this chair till two in the morning, every day until I get it done.” So, I put the pedal to the metal, and in the process, I have developed a folder to put all these emails about lecturing in there, and I’m like, “Not going to do them,” and leave it in the folder. Right when I sent Sydney the final draft and the book was coming out, the book was going to be launched on Amazon, I popped that folder up. It was a weekend. It was a Saturday night, and it was 10:30 in Chicago, and I haven’t had a glass of wine in a year, year and a half. So, I was going to go out. So, I sent out emails to about six or eight conferences, and I said, “Are you still offering a lecture slot?” And they said, “Yes.” So, then I went out and then I came back and then about two days later, the book went number one in Australia. And then a couple of days later it went number one in the United States. So, I was talking to your colleague, the one that developed the cover, and Steve says, “Hey, let’s go in the back and see what’s going on with your book.” And he goes, “Look at that, your book is number one.” So, I’m puffed up. I’m the number one best-selling author. I’m not Dr. Stoxen anymore. When I got those emails coming back, they said, “Yeah, we have a slot open,” but now I totally changed my tone. I’m bestselling author now so I say, “Well, the doctor gets so many invitations to lecture since the book became a number one international bestseller. He’s been getting a lot of invitations to lecture so his advisory team has advised him not to take lectures, unless he’s a keynote speaker. Now, if you have a keynote speaking slot available, we will go ahead and take it. And thank you very much. If not, maybe next year, we’ll entertain that slot with you next year, because he’s very busy right now.” I sent those eight emails out and I went out a second time and all of a sudden, my phone lit up and I started looking at emails. I said, “Well, better get to the office.” Every single one of them said, “
Yes, we had no idea of your eminence,” and so on and so forth. I was thrilled to death because I got eight keynote speaking slots out of eight. There were five of them that were within 10 days. So, I took 10 days off. I lectured in Istanbul, Turkey, and then I flew from Istanbul to Scotland, and then I flew to Japan. I lectured in Tokyo, and I was there for three days, and then I flew to Dubai where I did a lecture at 10 o’clock in the morning and then I jumped in a taxi cab and I went to another hotel and I did another lecture at one o’clock in the afternoon for a group of surgeons. Those were keynote speeches, and we were blasting them on Facebook live. When you blast your lecture live on Facebook, you get four hours of content with free storage. Then I find out that you can download the lecture later. So, then I add that, stored them. I don’t even need a camera anymore. So, then we took those lectures and we edited them really nicely with a PowerPoint slide because the screen is sort of blurry and we made very nice edits of them and put them in a YouTube channel now. That’s the Thoracic Outlet Syndrome YouTube channel by Team Doctors. It’s just great information, great content, how much better can you get? You had a medical conference as the keynote speaker. Content is really great when you can get those assignments to back up your book.
Well, first of all, there’s two different components to being a doctor. You are going to be seeing the patients, which is part of everyone’s practice usually. Then you have the scientific component, and lecturing, and publishing, editing, journals, and that kind of thing. You’ve got two sides to it. In my case I wanted to do an international book tour. You were kind of like, “Hey, are you going to get your book done?” And I say, “I’m lecturing in Malaysia, and then I got to go to Shenzhen to treat a professional golfer. Things are crazy in my life. Then I’m going to Sydney to treat this hedge fund manager. Then I’m going to Mooloolaba to treat this Olympic swimmer, and then I’m going to Melbourne to work with Wiggles or something and I’ll be back in five weeks,” something like that. The book just kept getting kicked down the road. And what happens is that you just have to put a stop to it because you’ve got to get your book done. And so I said to myself, “I am not going to lecture again until this book is done.” And I love lecturing. So I put it on hold. I said, “That’s it. I am getting this done. I’m not leaving this chair till two in the morning, every day until I get it done.” So, I put the pedal to the metal, and in the process, I have developed a folder to put all these emails about lecturing in there, and I’m like, “Not going to do them,” and leave it in the folder. Right when I sent Sydney the final draft and the book was coming out, the book was going to be launched on Amazon, I popped that folder up. It was a weekend. It was a Saturday night, and it was 10:30 in Chicago, and I haven’t had a glass of wine in a year, year and a half. So, I was going to go out. So, I sent out emails to about six or eight conferences, and I said, “Are you still offering a lecture slot?” And they said, “Yes.” So, then I went out and then I came back and then about two days later, the book went number one in Australia. And then a couple of days later it went number one in the United States. So, I was talking to your colleague, the one that developed the cover, and Steve says, “Hey, let’s go in the back and see what’s going on with your book.” And he goes, “Look at that, your book is number one.” So, I’m puffed up. I’m the number one best-selling author. I’m not Dr. Stoxen anymore. When I got those emails coming back, they said, “Yeah, we have a slot open,” but now I totally changed my tone. I’m bestselling author now so I say, “Well, the doctor gets so many invitations to lecture since the book became a number one international bestseller. He’s been getting a lot of invitations to lecture so his advisory team has advised him not to take lectures, unless he’s a keynote speaker. Now, if you have a keynote speaking slot available, we will go ahead and take it. And thank you very much. If not, maybe next year, we’ll entertain that slot with you next year, because he’s very busy right now.” I sent those eight emails out and I went out a second time and all of a sudden, my phone lit up and I started looking at emails. I said, “Well, better get to the office.” Every single one of them said, “
Yes, we had no idea of your eminence,” and so on and so forth. I was thrilled to death because I got eight keynote speaking slots out of eight. There were five of them that were within 10 days. So, I took 10 days off. I lectured in Istanbul, Turkey, and then I flew from Istanbul to Scotland, and then I flew to Japan. I lectured in Tokyo, and I was there for three days, and then I flew to Dubai where I did a lecture at 10 o’clock in the morning and then I jumped in a taxi cab and I went to another hotel and I did another lecture at one o’clock in the afternoon for a group of surgeons. Those were keynote speeches, and we were blasting them on Facebook live. When you blast your lecture live on Facebook, you get four hours of content with free storage. Then I find out that you can download the lecture later. So, then I add that, stored them. I don’t even need a camera anymore. So, then we took those lectures and we edited them really nicely with a PowerPoint slide because the screen is sort of blurry and we made very nice edits of them and put them in a YouTube channel now. That’s the Thoracic Outlet Syndrome YouTube channel by Team Doctors. It’s just great information, great content, how much better can you get? You had a medical conference as the keynote speaker. Content is really great when you can get those assignments to back up your book.
Rob Kosberg:
You sent me these statistics before. All of them are pretty incredible. Before your book, you had only ever been offered two keynote speeches. Since your book, you’ve now done, or have been offered 50 keynote speeches.
You sent me these statistics before. All of them are pretty incredible. Before your book, you had only ever been offered two keynote speeches. Since your book, you’ve now done, or have been offered 50 keynote speeches.
Dr. James Stoxen:
Those were all in the last year because what happened was, I was offered the keynote in 2019 for 2020. And then of course what happened then doctors were working on COVID patients, so all of the conferences were canceled. After I lectured in 2018, with those five conferences, I did another lecture in January in Amsterdam and then another one in Singapore. And so, then COVID hit, so here we are.
Those were all in the last year because what happened was, I was offered the keynote in 2019 for 2020. And then of course what happened then doctors were working on COVID patients, so all of the conferences were canceled. After I lectured in 2018, with those five conferences, I did another lecture in January in Amsterdam and then another one in Singapore. And so, then COVID hit, so here we are.
Rob Kosberg:
Yeah. You were offered these as opposed to like breakout rooms. These are keynote speeches. Obviously, you haven’t been doing speeches your entire 35-year career, but certainly the last five, 10, 15 years, and yet in a year you’ve 25X; from two to 50 because of your book, which is amazing. Now, you’ve also done something very, very different. I haven’t heard of people doing this, which I really love. And I want to talk a little bit about it is you have been featured in all of these medical journals. You have been appointed to editorial boards. You’ve even been appointed as editor-in-chief of a medical journal. Literally, from what you sent me, you have these medical journal requests for articles, zero before the book, since the book, 31 requests.
Yeah. You were offered these as opposed to like breakout rooms. These are keynote speeches. Obviously, you haven’t been doing speeches your entire 35-year career, but certainly the last five, 10, 15 years, and yet in a year you’ve 25X; from two to 50 because of your book, which is amazing. Now, you’ve also done something very, very different. I haven’t heard of people doing this, which I really love. And I want to talk a little bit about it is you have been featured in all of these medical journals. You have been appointed to editorial boards. You’ve even been appointed as editor-in-chief of a medical journal. Literally, from what you sent me, you have these medical journal requests for articles, zero before the book, since the book, 31 requests.
Dr. James Stoxen:
The editors of the medical journal, there were 30 of them. I actually have the copy of the invitation in my website. There’s no monkey business there. Those invitations are just to publish the research on my approach to thoracic outlets syndrome; those 30. Then there’s 170 additional requests from editors to write just anything; research.
The editors of the medical journal, there were 30 of them. I actually have the copy of the invitation in my website. There’s no monkey business there. Those invitations are just to publish the research on my approach to thoracic outlets syndrome; those 30. Then there’s 170 additional requests from editors to write just anything; research.
Rob Kosberg:
From zero before to now 192 article requests of any kind. You are getting them all the time; which I imagine you can’t even keep up with the requests.
From zero before to now 192 article requests of any kind. You are getting them all the time; which I imagine you can’t even keep up with the requests.
Dr. James Stoxen:
Yeah, it takes two hours just to answer the emails for speaking engagements, article requests, journals. It’s a bit time consuming but if you want to be looked at credibly, you have to have that side of your practice. If someone is worth $16 billion and they live in the Hamptons on the ocean and they have a concierge doctor, well they’re going to say, “Hey, look, we’re thinking about bringing this doctor from Chicago in to treat us in our home here in the Hamptons. What do you think?” And then they send your resume over to the concierge doctor to see if he’s willing to let you in the team, or if you’re working for a baseball team, a pitcher that makes $12 million, obviously they’re going to ask the team, “What do you think of bringing this doctor in to treat one of our best multi-million dollar athletes?” Even somebody like Michael Flatley who has his legs insured for something like $40 million. If you want to be a Rockstar doctor, you want to be at the top, people think that you go to cocktail parties and then you have a martini, and they kind of like laugh at your jokes and look at your silly social media and choose you. Nonsense. No. The tour manager is extremely serious about who they allow in to see these celebrities. That’s why the only access is provided by backstage pass that is determined by the tour manager or the production manager. For sure, they’re going to be looking at your credibility from the scientific standpoint, because they can have anyone they want. They’re paying to fly you in, like the soccer player from India, even after me for a year, because he’s 17 years old when he became a professional soccer player, mind you, in the minor leagues, but still professional soccer player and breaking in at age 20, hurt his knee, leaning back with his cell phone texting and TikToking with his leg up, and he got this thoracic outlet syndrome. It wasn’t going away. It was getting worse. It was a sad story. His father got COVID in India and he passed away. Unfortunately, to lose your family, it’s got to hurt when you’re young like that, no matter what age. He contacted me because he read the book, and he not only read the book, but also read everything. Like people will literally read my book and then what they’ll do is they’ll go to the Google reviews. Then they will actually search those people out that wrote the review on Facebook and friend those people, and ask that former patient of mine, “What do you think of this doctor?” They dig deep because a lot of these people have been to 15 different doctors, they’re not any better and they don’t want another one to just give them another lost hope. They hope for a cure, and then all of a sudden, nothing. Again, it really weighs on you when you’ve had 15 doctors’ examinations, “Oh yeah, we’ll be able to help you,” and nothing. The other side is very important as a doctor. That’s what we strive for. Before the book, I had not been in any medical journals, and I’m a chiropractor. Now I’m on the editorial board for 36 medical journals. I have a friend of mine; he is very famous doctor. He’s written 50 books, a couple of best sellers. I just threw something up on Facebook, “Here’s the medical journals that are on the Editorial Advisory Board.” He calls me up on the phone and he goes, “What in the hell are you doing? How did you do that?”
Yeah, it takes two hours just to answer the emails for speaking engagements, article requests, journals. It’s a bit time consuming but if you want to be looked at credibly, you have to have that side of your practice. If someone is worth $16 billion and they live in the Hamptons on the ocean and they have a concierge doctor, well they’re going to say, “Hey, look, we’re thinking about bringing this doctor from Chicago in to treat us in our home here in the Hamptons. What do you think?” And then they send your resume over to the concierge doctor to see if he’s willing to let you in the team, or if you’re working for a baseball team, a pitcher that makes $12 million, obviously they’re going to ask the team, “What do you think of bringing this doctor in to treat one of our best multi-million dollar athletes?” Even somebody like Michael Flatley who has his legs insured for something like $40 million. If you want to be a Rockstar doctor, you want to be at the top, people think that you go to cocktail parties and then you have a martini, and they kind of like laugh at your jokes and look at your silly social media and choose you. Nonsense. No. The tour manager is extremely serious about who they allow in to see these celebrities. That’s why the only access is provided by backstage pass that is determined by the tour manager or the production manager. For sure, they’re going to be looking at your credibility from the scientific standpoint, because they can have anyone they want. They’re paying to fly you in, like the soccer player from India, even after me for a year, because he’s 17 years old when he became a professional soccer player, mind you, in the minor leagues, but still professional soccer player and breaking in at age 20, hurt his knee, leaning back with his cell phone texting and TikToking with his leg up, and he got this thoracic outlet syndrome. It wasn’t going away. It was getting worse. It was a sad story. His father got COVID in India and he passed away. Unfortunately, to lose your family, it’s got to hurt when you’re young like that, no matter what age. He contacted me because he read the book, and he not only read the book, but also read everything. Like people will literally read my book and then what they’ll do is they’ll go to the Google reviews. Then they will actually search those people out that wrote the review on Facebook and friend those people, and ask that former patient of mine, “What do you think of this doctor?” They dig deep because a lot of these people have been to 15 different doctors, they’re not any better and they don’t want another one to just give them another lost hope. They hope for a cure, and then all of a sudden, nothing. Again, it really weighs on you when you’ve had 15 doctors’ examinations, “Oh yeah, we’ll be able to help you,” and nothing. The other side is very important as a doctor. That’s what we strive for. Before the book, I had not been in any medical journals, and I’m a chiropractor. Now I’m on the editorial board for 36 medical journals. I have a friend of mine; he is very famous doctor. He’s written 50 books, a couple of best sellers. I just threw something up on Facebook, “Here’s the medical journals that are on the Editorial Advisory Board.” He calls me up on the phone and he goes, “What in the hell are you doing? How did you do that?”
Rob Kosberg:
Let me mention something before you go into that. The stories are beautiful. They illustrate a point that I think it’s important for people to understand. I mean, I talk about something that is applicable. You made it very clear how it’s applicable to you and to doctors, but it’s applicable to everybody. I call it the hierarchy of desire. And that is, as you grow in your credibility and authority; we talk about a book, we talk about media, you’ve appeared, of course, on radio, television, podcasts, blogs, you’ve spoken all over the world. And you’ve used your book now to get all these keynote speeches, as well as being appointed to editorial boards, as well as being appointed editor-in-chief. These are things that had never happened before. What this does is it continues to grow your credibility to the point where when a person that is worth $16 billion wants to bring somebody in, which of course is not a minor investment, I mean, you’re not going to travel all over the world for a few hundred bucks. This is not like dealing with insurance, like with Medicare or Medicaid. You don’t do any of that. This is a cash business. If you want to do that as a coach, if you want to be a consultant, obviously, even for someone that is a medical doctor, I don’t need to tell you this, Dr. Stoxen, but I have a number of very close and personal friends of mine that are doctors that love treating patients, but hate being doctors because they have to deal with the insurance companies. So much of their life is tied up dealing with insurance because that’s the only way they know to get paid. They’re not doing what you did. So, I commend you. You have become a celebrity in your space. You can still go out to dinner and people aren’t going to corral you like Michael Jordan, but in your space, you’ve become a celebrity. That means that you command top dollar. And that means that you get to deal with the people that are at the height of their industries. Anyone that’s good at what they do, can do that. They just have to replicate the parts to it, which you’ve done with your books. Congratulations. I think it’s fantastic. And your stories illustrate that. I just wanted to mention to other people, so they listen with the right ear of how they can replicate what you’ve done.
Let me mention something before you go into that. The stories are beautiful. They illustrate a point that I think it’s important for people to understand. I mean, I talk about something that is applicable. You made it very clear how it’s applicable to you and to doctors, but it’s applicable to everybody. I call it the hierarchy of desire. And that is, as you grow in your credibility and authority; we talk about a book, we talk about media, you’ve appeared, of course, on radio, television, podcasts, blogs, you’ve spoken all over the world. And you’ve used your book now to get all these keynote speeches, as well as being appointed to editorial boards, as well as being appointed editor-in-chief. These are things that had never happened before. What this does is it continues to grow your credibility to the point where when a person that is worth $16 billion wants to bring somebody in, which of course is not a minor investment, I mean, you’re not going to travel all over the world for a few hundred bucks. This is not like dealing with insurance, like with Medicare or Medicaid. You don’t do any of that. This is a cash business. If you want to do that as a coach, if you want to be a consultant, obviously, even for someone that is a medical doctor, I don’t need to tell you this, Dr. Stoxen, but I have a number of very close and personal friends of mine that are doctors that love treating patients, but hate being doctors because they have to deal with the insurance companies. So much of their life is tied up dealing with insurance because that’s the only way they know to get paid. They’re not doing what you did. So, I commend you. You have become a celebrity in your space. You can still go out to dinner and people aren’t going to corral you like Michael Jordan, but in your space, you’ve become a celebrity. That means that you command top dollar. And that means that you get to deal with the people that are at the height of their industries. Anyone that’s good at what they do, can do that. They just have to replicate the parts to it, which you’ve done with your books. Congratulations. I think it’s fantastic. And your stories illustrate that. I just wanted to mention to other people, so they listen with the right ear of how they can replicate what you’ve done.
Dr. James Stoxen:
You’ve touched upon a very important topic and that is health insurance. I was talking to one of my friends who is an editor of a medical journal, a big one. And then he’s also was the doctor for an NBA team for years. He’s very well-regarded surgeon in the East Coast. He had said that the two insurance companies that were in that area had decided to go to bat and beat up on these orthopedic surgeons for the paybacks. He said, “I was working like 12, 14 hours a day before, and then they cut the reimbursement into a third, and I’ve got a whole team of girls. I don’t know if I’m going to make it.” I couldn’t believe it. Here’s this guy who was like one of the best surgeons on the planet. I used to be 100% insurance. We were looking for the insurance patient. Now, I’m just looking for people in need. I removed that whole component. My practice is a 100% cash practice. Fee for service is out. I mean, if I have old patients that call me up, “Come on in. If I’m not busy, I’ll treat you.” Sometimes I don’t bill the insurance. They say, “What do I owe?” “Don’t worry about it. Your money’s not good here.” With one case they wire $15,000 and I can pay my rent for three months with that. I’m almost 100% insurance free. I think I might collect $2,000 from insurance this year at the end. We used to do 95% insurance.
You’ve touched upon a very important topic and that is health insurance. I was talking to one of my friends who is an editor of a medical journal, a big one. And then he’s also was the doctor for an NBA team for years. He’s very well-regarded surgeon in the East Coast. He had said that the two insurance companies that were in that area had decided to go to bat and beat up on these orthopedic surgeons for the paybacks. He said, “I was working like 12, 14 hours a day before, and then they cut the reimbursement into a third, and I’ve got a whole team of girls. I don’t know if I’m going to make it.” I couldn’t believe it. Here’s this guy who was like one of the best surgeons on the planet. I used to be 100% insurance. We were looking for the insurance patient. Now, I’m just looking for people in need. I removed that whole component. My practice is a 100% cash practice. Fee for service is out. I mean, if I have old patients that call me up, “Come on in. If I’m not busy, I’ll treat you.” Sometimes I don’t bill the insurance. They say, “What do I owe?” “Don’t worry about it. Your money’s not good here.” With one case they wire $15,000 and I can pay my rent for three months with that. I’m almost 100% insurance free. I think I might collect $2,000 from insurance this year at the end. We used to do 95% insurance.
Rob Kosberg:
Most doctors are that way.
Most doctors are that way.
Dr. James Stoxen:
And they hate it. The notes that have to be sent in to get paid, and getting the reimbursements cut, and having committees that evaluate your practice. You know what? I don’t have to worry about that. I used to do 20 notes to 75 notes a day back when I was 24. I saw 75 patients a day. How’s your family? I can’t go back to that ever again. Leaving all that mess in the old bodies. In medicine, you’ve got the business plan, and then you’ve got the treatment plan and they don’t match. This is the business plan, 15 minutes, eight minutes treatment. This is the treatment plan. I told you, it’s three and a half hours. Forget the business plan. We make a new business plan that matches what the patient needs, and that’s how it becomes successful. When people have been to eight to 12 different doctors, 15 doctors with no improvement. You come in, and five days later, they’re completely pain free. The tears are flowing. Their lives are changed. That to me, that’s my kind of practice. I want those, I’ve done everything in my life. I have had the $7 million practice with 65 employees. You know what? The one thing that thrills me the most is the stories, the tears, the changes of their life. If you read some of the Google reviews, they’re not like other doctor’s reviews. They are very different. That is why I’m very happy about it. If we didn’t have this book to explain to these people who have lost hope, that they can get better, we wouldn’t see these people. And unfortunately, their lives would take a different turn. You know what I mean, Rob?
And they hate it. The notes that have to be sent in to get paid, and getting the reimbursements cut, and having committees that evaluate your practice. You know what? I don’t have to worry about that. I used to do 20 notes to 75 notes a day back when I was 24. I saw 75 patients a day. How’s your family? I can’t go back to that ever again. Leaving all that mess in the old bodies. In medicine, you’ve got the business plan, and then you’ve got the treatment plan and they don’t match. This is the business plan, 15 minutes, eight minutes treatment. This is the treatment plan. I told you, it’s three and a half hours. Forget the business plan. We make a new business plan that matches what the patient needs, and that’s how it becomes successful. When people have been to eight to 12 different doctors, 15 doctors with no improvement. You come in, and five days later, they’re completely pain free. The tears are flowing. Their lives are changed. That to me, that’s my kind of practice. I want those, I’ve done everything in my life. I have had the $7 million practice with 65 employees. You know what? The one thing that thrills me the most is the stories, the tears, the changes of their life. If you read some of the Google reviews, they’re not like other doctor’s reviews. They are very different. That is why I’m very happy about it. If we didn’t have this book to explain to these people who have lost hope, that they can get better, we wouldn’t see these people. And unfortunately, their lives would take a different turn. You know what I mean, Rob?
Rob Kosberg:
I love it. I love it. I think that’s a great way to sum it up and we’ve been going a long time, but I love your stories. Thank you for taking some time. Where should we send people? Obviously, they can find the book on Amazon, that’s easy, but what about links to your website? Where can people get more information about you, doctor?
I love it. I love it. I think that’s a great way to sum it up and we’ve been going a long time, but I love your stories. Thank you for taking some time. Where should we send people? Obviously, they can find the book on Amazon, that’s easy, but what about links to your website? Where can people get more information about you, doctor?
Dr. James Stoxen:
Well, it’s just very simple, drstoxen.com, S-T-O-X-E-N, drstoxen.com. People will be surprised, I’m very accessible.
Well, it’s just very simple, drstoxen.com, S-T-O-X-E-N, drstoxen.com. People will be surprised, I’m very accessible.
Rob Kosberg:
Love it. Love it. Dr. Stoxen, thanks. Thanks for taking the time. Honored to work with you. Love to see the stuff that you’re doing. So, so exciting. Like I told you, this would be a fantastic podcast whether you’re in the medical profession or not. And again, you know where to find Dr. Stoxen, S-T-O-X-E-N.com to get any more information. Of course, the book on Amazon. So, thank you again for being with us on the Publish. Promote. Profit. Podcast.
Love it. Love it. Dr. Stoxen, thanks. Thanks for taking the time. Honored to work with you. Love to see the stuff that you’re doing. So, so exciting. Like I told you, this would be a fantastic podcast whether you’re in the medical profession or not. And again, you know where to find Dr. Stoxen, S-T-O-X-E-N.com to get any more information. Of course, the book on Amazon. So, thank you again for being with us on the Publish. Promote. Profit. Podcast.
Dr. James Stoxen:
Thank you, Rob. Talk to you again soon. Thank you so much. All right, bye.
Thank you, Rob. Talk to you again soon. Thank you so much. All right, bye.
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